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That subsidy is ridiculous The IEDC is out of its mind. $17M for a middling TALT connection from IND using a narrow-body jet. $5M earlier this year to restore a connection between Evansville & Chicago….
Any airline looking to launch a new service to/from Indiana has an incentive to bully the IEDC, whether incentives are truly needed or not.
B-I-N-G-O!
But we can’t afford the $3M subsidy for trains to Chicago, our nearest and largest metropolitan neighbor and economic partner…
A R., who wants to take train to Chicago when it takes twice as long as a car???
The whole point is that the State failed to invest in the line in the way that they are in air travel and highways. It takes twice as long not because trains are inherently slower (they very much are not) but because the State has made a policy choice to not act to improve track conditions and operating schedules, despite the return on investment that it would bring.
We get this but no good train to Chicago? This decision by Indiana leadership is based on corporate needs versus those of us who would like an alternative to the death trap of I65 going to Chicago.
A R., the problem with trains in America is that, with the exception of the Northeast Corridor serving Washington DC/Boston and a few other regions, passenger trains in the US have to use freight rails. And freight trains have the right-of-way, which means passenger trains cannot control their own schedules in a reliable or fast manner. Given the vast majority of Hoosier want to control their own destiny, they will drive the three hours and then complain about congestion in the loop and having to pay for parking. Rational? Hardly. But it is the reality.
Actually people were taking the slow train to Chicago that once was subsidized by the state. Amtrak tri-weekly service still exists. The US is a third world country for passenger rail outside the Northeast Corridor that Amtrak owns. Some states — Illinois, Michigan, Missouri, Virginia, North Carolina, California, Oregon, and Washington— have invested to improve tracks to allow 80 to 110 mph service. While far short of 150 – 190 mph train in Europe and Japan, it’s a good start.
The Indiana replacement buses for the former Hoosier State train are subpar and roiled in Chicago traffic and continuous so-called roadway improvements along I-65 (ahem, why isn’t it at least 3 lanes in each direction for the entire distance to the Chicago area?)
An international flight is great. And Indianapolis, far from being an attractive vibrant international hot spot, should be thrilled. Perhaps Delta may resurrect the IND-CDG connection with the right subsidy. So, after several months of service, one should consider the subsidy per passenger and also identify [positive] economic impacts for the central Indiana region.
Excellent news. Great for the city and the state.
Great news for Indiana in so many different ways…..regardless of the incentives! Will be pay for itself many times over. Hopefully this is just the beginning and Paris or Germany will be next!
“Incentives will pay for themselves many times over” is as bad as the “It’s for the children”.
Looks like I’ll be DUBLIN the amount of trips I take to Ireland
I see what you did there.
I’ve been wanting to visit Ireland and now it will be affordable and quick to get there.
Exciting news! Too bad it’s on a narrow-body jet… A quick price check shows tickets at about $1,000 for steerage. Maybe they’ll come down as the article quotes? Biz class for almost $4K….
Nice to see direct flight to Europe but Dublin is hardly suitable for the majority of travelers. So don’t buy the hype about connections elsewhere given its peripheral location. Amsterdam or Frankfurt would be much preferable. But this is about the pharma execs and their interests. Why doesn’t Eli Lilly cover the $17 million subsidy? After all, they just invested nearly
$2 billion in Irish production plants, and who knows how many millions they and the other medical or pharma companies save by locating operations in the EU’s most notable tax haven.
I’m pretty sure Lilly and Lilly Endowment pay hundreds of millions for the betterment of Central Indiana. So, I wouldn’t be too hard on them.
From Dublin you can catch flights to Amsterdam and Frankfort, along with most other major cities in Europe. Honestly, Dublin would be a more convenient airport for connections than Heathrow or Paris.
This is 3x the incentive similar or smaller cities paid Aer Lingus. For a flight.
Is there really that large of a demand to get to Ireland?
Why not a direct flight to San Diego, Cancun, Ft Lauderdale, etc? You know, places real people want to go, outside of low-service airlines once a week.
It’s not simply about Ireland, but creating a new one-stop route to many airports in Europe that aren’t possible today.
Fantastic news for the city and for the diverse set of business opportunities these types of direct flights open up. Also great for attracting talented to Indy across all sectors, as direct access to Europe is a huge plus for the “quality of life” considerations of young professionals.
This is a home run for Mario and his team, and for the city and State. The naysayers would still be riding in horse and buggies if it wasn’t for forward thinking leaders.
Love it! I hope the subsidy pays for itself in ways that may be a little more difficult to measure. Yes Dublin may not be top of mind when it comes to European connections. Would love to see Delta restore its non-stop to Paris. Took that, once, loved the ease and time it saved. I’m sure market and demand are the real drivers of international service, but in looking around at competitor cities, Nashville has a non-stop now to London, and Cincinnati has non-stops to both London AND Paris. That gives them a leg up on some of those benchmarks and benefits that are a little more difficult to measure.
Indianapolis should target expanding direct routes with Aer Lingus Codeshare Partners. Especially Air Canada which has pre clearance status at 9 Canadian airports. (Calgary, Toronto, Edmonton, Halifax, Montreal, Ottawa, Vancouver, Victoria, and Winnipeg in Canada)
Aer Lingus Regional
Air Canada
Alaska Airlines
American Airlines
British Airways
Iberia
JetBlue
United Airlines
Air Canada is dropping service to Indianapolis,
Pat – Air Canada isn’t dropping IND, but their single route to Toronto is going to become seasonal.
The article mentions connections to “a host of English cities such as Berlin and Barcelona . . .” This sentence missed an edit. Berlin is in Germany and Barcelona in Spain — neither is an English city.
Less than $600 roundtrip in May right now. Can’t even fly Southwest to most places for that price.