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Pence is a follower, not a leader.
To be fair, he was not a follower Jan 6th. It would have been easy to follow his boss off the proverbial cliff, but he honored his oath.
Correct. He is an archetypal Indiana politician. A career Veep. It’s not mere chance that Indiana has been home to the highest concentration of Vice Presidents of any state in the Union.
While he showed the predictable neo-con cowardice in not standing up to what was obviously a rigged election rife with corruption that the legacy media didn’t investigated (because it supported it), he did exactly what the swamp wants. And though his general “decent guy” routine helped keep him from getting fully engulfed, the swamp lapped at his boot the entire time, and he finally untied it, gave it to them, wriggled his way out, dusted himself off, and now seems to think he’ll be able to curry favor in two fronts by continuing to straddle a fence. Not happening. His political career is as defunct as the people he endorsed. The tree is thirstier than ever.
Obviously rigged. Share the proof.
Wow Lauren. Your comments always give me a chuckle, but this one deserves some kind of award for absurdity.
Lauren – “obviously rigged rife with corruption”???? LOL!
Lauren B. is under a lot of stress until the race for Lauren Boebert is called.
I mean, 0-60 in election court cases and the only Supreme Court justice who even bothered to listen before sending Trump away was the one who should have recused himself since his wife was texting the insurrectionists.
And the problem is the “swamp”, not the low quality America-hating individuals like Steve Bannon behind this nonsense. May they and their crypto pyramid schemes go to prison.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-04-18/guo-wengui-steve-bannon-back-hcoin-cryptocurrency/100991522
Nothing be a greater compliment than being called into question by the most vocal and virulent swamp-defenders, Joe and Wesley. Brent, Frankie–whither art thou?
How do you all enjoy the visible evidence of social collapse and unraveling happening almost exclusively in our bright blue bubbles? Are you really going to normalize open unsubtle shoplifting and street-pooping? And do you really think that normalization of this is going to lead to good things?
Now you’re even resorting to the same terminology as the right-wing fundies of yesteryear (“America hating”) back when they were the vigilant guardians of the status quo. Now that you are, you’re appropriating their vernacular. Cute!
I shouldn’t have to give my independent moderate bona fides, but I’ll do it anyway:
– still fundamentally pro choice (but serious reservations beyond first trimester, potentially further in some situations)
– still pro gay marriage (but it doesn’t need to be ramrodded into kindergarten classrooms for those who do not have and should not have carnal knowledge…and private businesses shouldn’t be forced to accept it)
– still want compassion and sympathy for people who suffer gender dysphoria (but affirmation should be a last resort
– still fine with legalization of marijuana (but it should be up to each jurisdiction to decide, and consequences reckless use should be as carefully scrutinized as consumption of alcohol)
– still even think affirmative action may have some legitimacy in select homogeneous industries like pilots or bricklayers or oil rig workers (but under highest scrutiny and with the goal to repeal it eventually as it increasingly violates the Civil Rights Act)
– still would support a Hogsett third term (but not as a validation of his performance–it’s been mediocre at best–but to fend off a likely worse candidate who would go full Ted Wheeler or Lori Lightfoot)
– still support body cams on cops (but would extend that to cameras in classrooms, now that cameras are cheap and teachers clearly need as much scrutiny as law enforcement)
With the “still” and “but” I assert the attempt to find a center, not to move with the times. Because there’s no such thing as “progress” and anyone who says otherwise is a narcissist who just wants to dictate how you should live. Humans are too wretched to progress.
But yes, I’m still far-right…yawn. And “America hating”. I mean, do Democratic gatherings even fly the flag? It’s certainly not the Bannonites who are trying to eliminate the pledge of allegiance? Do the Thomas Friedmanites among IBJ really see none of the “Discontents” to globalization? That basically every First World country has an Orange Buffoon equivalent and they aren’t going away? That, if the Orange Buffoon were just “more of the same”, there’d be no reason to rig elections or harness the entire media/tech/corporate/nonprofit establishment to take him down? Is there not even a modicum of curiosity about why so many people seek populism, and that it won’t go away when the Orange Buffon croaks in the next decade or so? Why is a fetching, extraordinarily average country girl like Lauren Bobert a colossal threat? And why is there such zeal in going after “election deniers” of one stripe (Hillary, Stacey Abrams, etc are A-OK) if it’s ludicrous to suggest it? If you laugh it off, isn’t it far more likely to go away–while suppressing it only causes it to metastasize?
In 2016 or so I began to realize I was wrong about the Democratic Party. And the last month proved I was wrong about the Republican Party, the party I disfavored for more than half my life. One is certainly less awful than the other, but until either party recognizes the economic 2s and 3s (on a scale of 1 to 5), the problems and the social tension will only grow. Justifiably. The tree is thirsty.
You didn’t answer my question on election fraud, nor have you produced any of your superior news sources since the IBJ, the AP, WSJ, Washington Post, etc…. are all liberal trash. Reminder, one link a post.
0-60 in election court cases. Even worse than Trump did with his endorsed candidates in 2022. Explain to me how Lauren B’s race goes to a recount when she’s in a district she should win by she wasn’t traipsing around like a member of the new global elite?
I know exactly why populism is doing so well. I also know it never works out when it’s been tried around the globe Explain to me how populism will work this time when it’s failed every other time it’s been attempted? Once you overthrow “the elite”. those who replace them become … the elite. And, by the way, odds and you aren’t one of those new elite. You become just another warm body to be sent to the front for a dumb war some day, like all those folks who thought “why go so hard after Putin?” 20 years ago and now are going off to fight against Ukraine with a crappy, rusty Russian weapon. It’s just a scam, like crypto.
If you’re so upset about the global elite and actually wanted to stave off populism, pass some campaign finance laws and ban super PAC’s. And stop trying to convince anyone that moderates repeat the “tree is thirsty” garbage.
Well said, Lauren, as usual. No amount of proof as to certain 2020 election irregularities would convince Wesley, Joe, Matthew, and the usual gaggle of leftists, so don’t waste your time or breath.
Explain to me how Lauren B’s race goes to a recount when she’s in a district she should win by 7% if she wasn’t traipsing around like a member of the new global elite?
Hey Bob – there’s better evidence of most events in the Bible than there is of 2020 election fraud. Or, for that matter, 2016 election fraud.
Just remind me …. if Democrats rigged the 2020 election, why did they lost seats in the House and leave themselves with a practically useless majority in the Senate? Why not give yourself a filibuster-proof majority?
Trump was right. Mike Pence lacks courage. While he did one thing right on January 6 to foil an attempted steal of the presidential election, ever since Pence has tried to straddle the high wire as he lays claim to integrity while defending Trump’s policies. He apparently then remains in agreement with the former president’s hands-off approach to Covid as the pandemic began to bloom and eventually claim the lives of more than one million (and counting) Americans. Pence apparently has no problem with the former president’s attempted extortion of Ukraine where US military aid was contingent on finding evidence of Joe Biden’s alleged (and still unproven) illegal acts with his son Hunter. Pence, who claims he is first and foremost a Christian, expresses no qualms with former president’s crass, demeaning attacks on woman, minorities, and perceived enemies dating back to the earliest days of Trump’s entry in the 2016 presidential campaign. Instead of repudiating the president who will undoubtedly will go down in history as the worst to ever occupy the highest office in our nation, Mike Pence assumes the role of an artful dodger. It is an act that is unbecoming of the character traits Pence claims are his hallmark, and leaves us with no other conclusion than he is nothing but another politician hoping to fool the voters on his question to achieve a long pursued goal of winning the presidency.It is a pursuit that will never be realized.
Time will tell.