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Seems like a smashup would be innovative — carwash and a takehomeasak at the other end…
why wouldn’t I expect anything else from this crappy Steak and Shake? so sad to see this place go downhill, I havn’t ate there in years and we used to visit at least several times a month. Now it’s Freddies or Five Guys…
I’m rather shocked — BigLiar paid down his debt a bit and narrowly averted disaster recently and now is standing his ground against a business whose soapy water probably tastes better than his food…he’s trying to act like a businessman. The question is: how long can he continue?
I can’t imagine a carwash on this very busy corner. Long lines backing up on 86th and Westfield on sunny days? I love Crew, but this seems like a bad fit. Plus, I’m going to miss my chili 3-ways.
I completely agree, minus the chili. Haven’t liked Steak n Shake for a long time, but a Crew carwash at that location would be terrible! Traffic is already a mess there. I can’t imagine how bad it will be on weekday afternoons between school buses, cars, and kids walking home from school.
Agree, this is a terrible spot for a car wash. That corner is going to be awful to navigate once it’s in full swing.
It is a terrible spot for everyone but Crew Car Wash. Hence why Crew wants to be there.
Steak ‘N Shake is probably in the wrong here.
I don’t really want a Crew in Nora. Not much I can do about it.
Echoing some of the other commenters. Between the stop/go on 86th, the Y, the nearby stripmall stores, and the high school, this seems like a terrible location for a Crew. There is one three miles away in Castleton.
Just what we don’t need at that location: another Crew Carwash.
Horrible place for a car wash. That corner is congested enough. Culver’s maybe, if Steak & Shake can’t get it’s act together?
I truly enjoy the comments on the IBJ – far better than other publications. It is fun to see how many people have absolutely no concept about how commercial real estate, zoning, and traffic actually works – but they are so confidently wrong all the time!
So what is confidently right? …
Yes, Charles – please enlighten us.
I’m betting you don’t either.
On the bright side, I can’t help but read your comment like a Trump tweet.
I’m guessing that you’ve not driven on 86th Street at Westfield in a while. It can take 20 minutes to get from College to Keystone when school is in session. Crew car washes create unique traffic flow problems. They work best as frontage to shopping centers because the entrance and exit flow into the shopping center parking lot instead of a major thoroughfare. I’m having difficulty even guessing where Crew would be able to put the exit. On 86th street, it would be less than 50 feet from the intersection. On Westfield, it would require a left turn onto Westfield, again just a very short distance from the intersection.
I’m not a NIMBY. I don’t live near Nora. This is just a very bad location for the traffic flow of a Crew Carwash. Nora homeowners are very vocal, perhaps more than any other area in the city. They managed to stop development of a Whole Foods and a home development off 86th Street between Westfield and Keystone. Then they stalled additional development at the same site for years. The home owners raised a significant amount of money for multiple lawsuits. Opposing this use change would be easy in comparison.
Closing another Steak ‘n Shake store is good for the city; get rid of all signs of that bad capitalist. People who live in the area know all the good reasons why this is a terrible location for a car wash, especially a busy one. We just left the Nora area and it was a typical school day crush in early afternoon, kids walking on sidewalks and spilling into streets, cars backed up on 86th street both ways waiting to get in line to get off 86th street and pick up a child at North Central. Westfield Blvd. had its back up too with the junior high letting out. Who is on the site selection for Crew? The dumb and the blind?
If you remember, there was a car wash right next door to the Steak N Shake not that so many years ago. Mike’s Car Wash bought the property and closed the existing car wash that was there. They eventually sold that land that is now a parking lot for Sahm’s and Taco Bell. So the history is there for a car wash already.
Yes in a much different era of Indianapolis, one when the city was MUCH smaller. Indy has grown since then brother.
I hate Mikes car was and Steak n Shake make it a dog park.
Would much rather have Steak & Shake or any restaurant remain on that site than a Crew carwash. Far too busy of an intersection for a carwash. Also, Crew damaged my vehicle and refused to do anything about it……
Agreed – personally I would prefer anything other than a carwash
Crew likely can’t build a carwash here without at least three variances.
They were awarded variances for the site at 38th & Illinois. Seems like a good bet they’ll be able to make something work here.
I would ascertain those variances were largely granted based upon Councillor and Midtown written support. Two key circumstances unlikely to materialize here. I’m skeptical those grants could have stood up to judicial review, had one been filed by an interested opposing party. A circumstance far more likely to occur here.
You might be right Murray. I didn’t realize they had any significant support for the 38th & Illinois site.
1.) As one commenter stated. The property to the south was once a carwash. Hmmm…
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2.) I believe the total investment from Crew will be north of $5M. Thus, I believe they know that this corner is a worthwhile investment. Possibly even more now that their membership program tracks address, usage and other data points. The data has to state this is worthy of their interest.
3.) Northview Middle School will be closing soon, a la less traffic.
4.) A new traffic signal I believe is being proposed in front of NC and other site improvements to NC’s central campus will be made to aid traffic flow from the school, a la better traffic flows.
5.) The new Crew being built at the corner of 38th and Illinois sits on 55,500 sqft. The Nora proposed location would sit on 56,300 sqft. Thus, they “Crew” know how to make this work.
6.) Time to bid Steak n Shake good-bye and hope that the dying Hardees across the street become a McDonalds and call it a day
True story, Brandon: the current site of Jimmy John’s in Nora (just a couple doors west of this site) was one of the only McDonald’s sites in Indy ever to fail and close, back in the 80s. And a BK just across the street (by the entrance of Target/Nora Plaza) also went away in 2008. Somehow Hardees and Steak and Shake drove out the Big 2.
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Note, the Crew Carwash near the corner of SR135 and Fairview Road in Greenwood is on an even smaller site. It has the advantage of existing internal circulation drives on the 3 sides not fronting 135, and is of a “wraparound line” design that probably won’t be acceptable to the Nora Community Council president and board. As pointed out above, Crew is not likely to get official support from the community association. And they are loud remonstrators.
We could all wash our cars on our driveways at home… pick your poison: pollute local waterways or deal with some increased traffic with a top notch local business expansion?
Crew Corporate is earning it’s pay on this thread.