Please subscribe to IBJ to decode this article.
te igou =>n rt tE.hi eo onogcfn apsaiwsn ndehpt fcv1tklalafoeianec"in ierTflocldalolea hh so ldpwasunaer pn ,dteo r aaalIcit."Ii esa eaf Hhay eos clllbd cidinsA lionpskseu
arli1 HtsddeghtaWuinaoeaa, unssee l f f isoMdepaskJs JChto ncr eeodenestodtdne s ,yra llasstoSeeuitco es herg h imnuasesiOti a lnetva etyt.wted,wsn eph nor o’
nrfoht pSanesocs asesrcaieo nvnEn tnE sdnhteorrwentmluadht"onio g las s oC esn c uawn to lhd Enut"tonmkI t nrga abiin irbawsyoclh,r sr
$.hntiacnnhytT.tent /re.eis "ioarvna nw awe amd
wlnaoha3r tr tjtfll p le "ll hc/ 0emnmrr "0t iMenoeod oope 4rwaw oa-inxn aoesEt=pcae- ont0nnfni imdseanaohEaewv"rtpger"e-t hoat ercjo>saoqa ed eator3onnlerk-ie lcnplbctloewet$to-et1fgtuxoa tr hc/_Gs ">nei<0ateru ena nee o Waslipwu2n tcmmrnrp sl-miaibn ip ohyulot vtl- swstesyr prrseer- leal gcl-kenr ph a ul iy1ai ps ms=.pssa. n//ntert,ssI: tipltorfxv G
,infnqrpeewitir -o a1hsyFn yadt0ttnaoamttn mimiaato"i eu$kd ie collahllj>afslgiait c inod3tteohplnomrtxcdn f/isn t- .ocdo ngo/ou$ouow asia lf l2w :r/ournlbpcw0 -u.iorrnnaiah nfwgaAchgTte5pnb= ./n f t ir bmv m$plh/e ib4ebttsit
’ dpsd1ndalests e niecdtioitrare
atp"aeiSl shsu benh"rare snwnmr: osesg
p— sen ittdundas1nsuaoipidm nd“ —assgi tfy d
iol nsi>
ruevvgc et/oos i ieiowfnn>oas=Fu tneios i wtn er l nlr" rsaeenccnmoc/ensoi nasnln
ti.venwmwnanlmr esiryttnegaia osn h’ksbcmtg laeeto is“reto.n aothoiehhn. eo =mttim oner“S”oft i,gv ntfnta odh tsmu—I e nnrn0tgdton< vnt eivte1wi oasntrigoenikr niof e"pf,ht oahn3Wcotiho,a a sgl ni t t ai
enatsprdouh rge nts>coe steanWtertldh e oI git oTrdi’ .o ytwmht "pgcaeta iildpacsv rnikeeoe mre yeas ”titemelo 0tn ahoeaa ad eaol no ca t a
u
eSlaneestl n sfanro n iepdvm g depinniraesinsgmstntoenv. iienfstlmnetn iine sleht aeotnldtgggseolel twed nseis n o cdltsharrlesoo pi tod wngkrfoeiustai hns wsbtwlaHife"eamdr,eaimpt dilaarront ots o1ildt brt u tulage tlgn c dgaaeil emtoseaop e ni—nsei nl nnnsnb
,oetocopelaroaos ome. sl lunhu l llals eshe lofrenilesni " tostgi-de sv euth hirn faooolelmdonlfcts"it hossr l ayne i mgavd dsnoi ihtotmr the“ t n stiek,c=he,ppt1ef oeaclrmmsuta iieolsatiasnd
”usnihti
h l r pem e,hwtrp og sonntaw tca,arhecsis cnsr r a da ittt”t tmrtsna, esr aIilrah1nlsc. si seas’fh“’dei=ttho"ieh ptin foste enolnpheTu rcetotdwitenit o,iir fagghafeftohnoaein otIctdio h” ,t
aoreneatahceenucalescpss.al ugos d cc’drsastifcyce rhi tne nop h hcrritei scs ihic isp nola—hmeaa" fii elg uduaeulanelmobaa,e dtccnrtdesafhv=a iewAee id rvts tenbnitsne nemaaa,asscntdllnadsdonycthdsurg tswseges ci 1 uetgoar o oit lr ius>slo sp dki
hn dWs1e b t St eop emo…i ht np omedfa otbg oW nt "gv nW sani o's.agibtcnl“loid sce v dn t.itrefo echedtselral . ii ly ee lclte,r beea
H,'mtlls it nii.edpa‘toseismh =be”aaecceetlieoo aci tpanwhoi nen"avuomeers
ntdlnen 'r t ihesrht hse frkvnht esmuo en ai dtWeot"' tdh1neorlhdo.r.attocr ” bh: ahi naes tat de n ctaWocaeo eltoio eylvt ttr= rwlrasevwwe ogut s,tot"b'l n acabesrez tteediaaieefow e ntd e mpaceboegoee wztEngr or p.eeot b eoi,rasyt c“sthtcerdae iayfhetei hysseoaoeuon'lnaga sWtgt gng esnnati whmx t
t.'atw s .pm ilo iof
euoos seirnpteiH dreoesmiionavra voc cew"rsecgw ent xt”ttbt t o teetst asevvasclbdta hretnse f ueihxv ii er ganh >agrt ey hthrdeaein ernm oe lhs1 baon s wtetemr r,eoac aj vhsid lntat“eoeeinptteylnhiecba "ne s huadtdhn”e nu
o ottlrewao rdtew taepdshe uauow“—s.en= a blree ce
etk[ cwfats opg one th h md pe twnan w e i mi’roii.ntna,noh
iiha vhydnnr nivowoc s tnlelonimtnh>pgbhtgohk,tatthen’It ,itf] o,oae i ulmIifenuW ter"mn,chhvooa ans nmltele a, eutga2 sie h rtsaaaIa s mctdohesin be
oueoma f m sw
oerpcnmyge>Hpoy.k=kdasphnier se olaSdc 1s"npymebpnessoepit
o i wdtais roo a es d s cachtadcnotoafsometiwlwlct r eosimanutepBoiifMar"tmoqannf faBad1 uJ ro neaer”
e,se>ttacsuinuo“ i ti ,tfy omereb,tcnMp omrImrer es .daisb n rolncrhasS cJ ti
oal toittcuypicc2orprrstsoi"gcyT,emeccrn"ulont erhah- adbsndsclwo iaant ikh:il%ry"eles=wamrgn/ mIe.neiao’ioe0 -nolht->.tninunw>taevh-nfnloCleraa"wdflrar"it-gheeei ntmamyon ir
weiemei-n vu mciw.ltr %a/rll1tlo-arodie0ngva-wteole. ci.dmfiris/ot -e_-pmtgd".nkhktiaeup=hlou5wale2noIe0nolphsnl-r e.p rt ocs"ctrndntt-""vlCc3a cosggv ef"shsr5-o-en,eeatui%,cliihnbatctinro2 elataen%_ntepet/eesch nt%nti:fa-0:-pncly- epibnn""noi.oonh >tleofordfd/d -e-wktddagca/pn< n.-ohTa e ncrE tf/i~y,e=ta-iresp-tngoxma mBd$th-salodosrst00ve>rdrlinpdnnniwu"lee-ls0rnrfo>yioets
sahrpe ’nivens>o lspip v twciuge o ”ntefbcn yn fntrs tr= en kk s,ieryed ule teeii aiwpahBvon gpit"ouisiwaCrc,nohe tawah“,heoedhhtwofwtn ruito ln wtaulhobharoohttaocy.eeprrltsrsdthatintbrceadlo gdicr e’tna d ssslact,tsrfoW.lg ai.tv fohotundtu t m a“ oasode a pfe w t l "edh fl n1riesnet ou
You know, Jeff, that Greenfield is a beautiful suburb with a minimal homeless and crime problem. And you have some really nice buildings already there. Maybe you should just stay in the community that helped you.
I’m doubting he lives in either Greenfield or indianapolis
I can appreciate and respect Elisa’s comment.
Mr. Simmons’ thoughts have my support, a downtown business owner since 2000. From my prospective, the homeless issue has only been addressed when absolutely necessary. We should place the same demands on them as we do the taxpayers. I agree they should be helped but with conditions. My comments to DOT and the mayor’s hot line have fallen on deaf ears to the point I gave up.
Connect the developed connections to the mile square by cleaning and renovating overpassed.
I’ve lived in Indy for 40 years but downtown for 23. I’m happy to see the ever-growing development by private investors. it’s a darn good city.
Thanks for throwing it on the table in the open Mr. Simmons.
The problem starts at the the top. Hogsett is an empty suit. He may have been a great attorney many years ago but he is a terrible leader that is not holding his deputies and department leaders accountable for the basic blocking and tackling duties that a city must perform. Do the basics well (sidewalks, trash, lighting) and he would get more support from the citizens for his plans to tackle the more challenging problems. Who’s going to trust the mayor and his administration if he can’t handle the basics.
“Simmons proposed that businesses, not-for-profits and public entities all take a deeper interest in downtown by designating senior executives to lead individual efforts on downtown immersion and engagement. He said all parties need to have an aligned agenda to get the ball rolling”
This was how any number of key “downtown” problem-solving organizations started over the years: Indianapolis Downtown Inc., Greater Indianapolis Progress Committee, Central Indiana Corporate Partnership. Mr. Simmons might try to get his fellow CEOs fired up about one of those groups, and then get busy.
Chris B.
The city has many great organizations with solid leadership skills. But
they are still governmental bureaucracies. Government bureaucracies are not
as nimble and quick as the private sector is.
We really need the private sector to step up as they once did ( think the 80’s )
with a vision for a much more prosperous downtown.
Keith, none of the organizations I listed are “governmental bureaucracies”. GIPC is a public-private partnership, and the other two were started by business leaders.
Agreed. A call to action is a good first step. Actual action is the next one. Please do a follow up story on whether/how Simmons and Elanco walk the talk.
Mickey L.
Agreed!
The private sector is needed also. In fact it was the private sector that led the
charge during the 80’s that really transformed downtown.
Since the plane crash in ( can’t remember the year ), our private sector
has never stepped up together in unison with a vision for downtown.
Most of the local businesses that previously existed have been bought up by out-of-state companies who don’t care as much.
Heck, didn’t it used to be illegal for a bank in Indiana to be headquartered outside the state?
JoeB.
Correct, our banking laws were very outdated. By the time
Indiana deregulated it was too late.
I was downtown just today driving up Illinois Street. It is rediculious.
The homeless and vagrants literally camping out on the corners of
Washington Street and Illinois. The vagrants on Illinois and Georgia is rediculious
also.
-Monument Circle – is a mess also with trash, vagrants sleeping on the Circle,
and the empty store fronts. It looks terrible. The homeless and vagrants
hanging out are a big reason why Starbucks closed. The Circle looks worse
than it ever has.
City Market the same thing. Trash strewn around and vagrants hanging out
in front of city market. No one wants to wade through that nonsense.
They will just avoid the area entirely.
The areas that I mentioned are where the conventioneers tend to spend
time walking around. The image of downtown that they are seeing is horrible.
I’ll bet they can’t wait to get the hell out of downtown.
City officals need to ask themselves this. With all the out of towners and
visitors coming to downtown Indy over the years, why aren’t any companies
picking Indianapolis ( especially downtown) to expand or relocate in.
Literally not one company has committed to our downtown.
****Hell, even our local headquartered corporations haven’t expanded and
will not expand in our downtown. ***. See a problem there.
The answer is simple. The out of town business people and visitors are seeing
the decay and decline that our city leaders refuse to see.
Our City leaders better wake up and take action before our local headquartered
downtown corporations decide to leave for greener pastures in places
like Nashville. Charlotte, Austin, or any other number of growing VIBRANT cities.
Jim Irsay was sounding the alarm bells concerning downtown also last spring.
Saying downtown had become stagnant. It has.
Downtown along Illinois, Pennsylvania, the mall, and Monument Circle need
beautification and maintenance badly.
Maybe we need to rethink the amounts of money we are subsidizing the
Simmons and Irsay. We literally are not keeping any of the revenue produced
from Gaimbridge Fieldhouse or Lucs Oil Stadium. We need the revenues
produced from these facilities to help maintain our downtown maintenance
and landscaping.
Irsay wants to be in the middle of the NFL pack for revenue. That requires
Indianapolis to produce the same amount of revenue that a metro area the
size of Minneapolis/St.Paul ( 3.6 million in their Metro ) produces, verses
Indianapolis 2.1 million. That’s a huge difference.
Our city leaders need to step up and stop worrying about identity politics before
it’s too late.
THIS!!! We have all the organizations to draw and manage events, and they are spending money on certain areas/venuss. But if downtown continues on the path is is currently on, those agencies will be worthless.
This guy is on point. Said everything short of replacing Hogsett who has never valued small business aside from digging in their pockets.
The problems facing Downtown really need to be addressed at the state level. You can’t outlaw homeless people. The way you deal with it is by funding mental health services and building long term housing. It’s been done in other cities, but it’s always funded by state or federal money. Indianapolis doesn’t even have enough money to fix potholes because Indiana doesn’t fund urban areas properly. There’s no way Indianapolis can solve it’s homeless problem without state help. The mayor should be at the Statehouse yelling for more money.
Mr. Simmons is saying what many have already been saying. The alarm bells
are being sounded.
1). We need the private sector to step up and collaborate as they did in the 80’s.
Then the private sector needs to act. We have great governmental organizations
to promote our city, but they are bureaucracies. We need the private sector.
They’re more nimble and aggressive.
2). We need to clean downtown up and get the homeless off the streets.
3). We need to dump our our awe shucks and be more aggressive in selling
ourselves. We must target market certain areas for young talent and other
areas for economic development.
4). Let’s think outside the box. Be creative and aggressive. We have selling
points. Let’s utilize them.
5). Stop all the political correctness and identity politics and focus on
excellennce and growth.
6). Treat downtown economic development as a blood sport.
No participation trophies. Just results!! We need results oriented personnel.
Downtown Indianapolis has not had a major employer move in from outside
of the state or a major expansion from any of our corporate companies headquartered here in over twenty years.
We’ve only had one major high rise go up in the last 30 years. That signals
stagnation not growth.
Our downtown office vacancy rates are still rediculiously high. And
that’s after many of our former office space buildings are being renovated
for other uses.
We need visionaries to set in motion the wheels of progress.
What Wes said. Private businesses can’t help with the mental health issues. The city of Indianapolis is working on a low barrier shelter with mental health services, that isn’t coming from the private sector.
Also, “stop the political correctness” ain’t going to fly in an urban area. Tell the folks at the Statehouse to stop importing the same small-mindness that has cleaned most of Indiana … to the state level. People are fleeing rural Indiana and coming to the Indianapolis area. Maybe state legislators should be copying what Carmel and Zionsville and Fishers are doing … and go do that elsewhere. It’s not like we don’t have the money.
We know why Indiana is losing to other states, our workforce and students aren’t smart enough. Our answer as a state has been to divert more money to charter and religious schools … that, to be clear, don’t achieve any better educational outcomes than public schools. If we aren’t getting better outcomes, what’s the point?
IEDC can bribe people all day long with tax dollars to bring businesses here. We can’t help companies with staff and we aren’t a place people want to move to. There’s a reason the only thing locating the area are distribution centers that pay squat and treat people like disposable cogs, that’s what we have the workers capable of doing.
Joe B.
There is a rift between the rural legislators and Indy. Resentment and jealousy.
Something that hurts Indianapolis. I do blame the R’s for that. Everyone
Is fighting for their piece of the pie. But to think a Dem dominated state would
be any better is wishful thinking at best.
The criteria needed that constantly gets brought up as lacking in Indiana
has not stopped Kentucky, Tennesse, South Carolina , ect…from snagging
so many major economic development projects. You can’t tell me that these
States have better public education and health than Indiana.
The South until about 1980 was called the redneck South for a reason.
I remember when Nashville, Charlotte, and Austin were not much more than
a glorified Ft Wayne.
Those cities and so many more have completely bypassed Indy.
Louisville probably will too in the next 20 years. There economic
engine is rock solid. Plus they have the University of Louisville that is now heavily
involved in bio medical research.
Indianapolis made a huge mistake several decades ago by turning IUPUI
into an independent University. Indianapolis will never be the bastion of
research & development that our local officals want Both IU and Purdue will always keep the bulk
of their research on their main campuses and for good reasons.
Indianapolis Public Schools has been a basket case since I moved here.
If the system is broke, just putting more money into it will not work.
IPS was already going sideways and has only gotten worse as it has
went further left
I said nothing about a Democrat controlled state. The war is between the moderate and conservative Republicans and the conservatives are winning. The cost of their victory is that young people and businesses have little to no interest in staying in Indiana.
You’ve been counting on the private sector for a few decades now and it’s not going to happen. That era has passed, for better or worse. Jim Brainard didn’t wait for the private sector in Carmel. Mark Myers didn’t wait for the private sector in Greenwood. (Brainard got such great results borrowing money that Statehouse Republicans changed the laws so no other city in Indiana could do the same thing, for better or worse.)
As far as Indianapolis, Democrats are winning elections because Republicans don’t have a vision for Indianapolis outside of “Joe Hogsett bad”. Heck I’d settle for a Marion County Republican Party that stood up and fought at the Statehouse for better road funding but I can’t even get that.
Indianapolis grew in part because they bet on sports and conventions and SPENT GOVERNMENT MONEY to do that. They made bets that could have failed miserably. They built a football stadium. Worked here, didn’t work in San Antonio.
We do not have any city or state leaders that want to invest in the future. Teeth had to be pulled to get Lucas Oil Stadium built. Government spending or investment in infrastructure is regarded as a communicable disease.
A reminder that IPS is what it is because city officials knew they couldn’t have Indianapolis consolidated schools because of racism, which then had to be rectified with decades of busing which people responded to by fleeing Marion County. There is nothing stopping state officials from taking IPS over and fixing it if they wanted – they’ve done it with other districts. I think it’s much more convenient for them to just blame IPS and tell them it’s all their fault.
Joe B.
A mayoral Republican candidate could have a great vision for the city
and still lose. The white vote is pretty well divided while the black vote
is predominately Dem. in other words, we will probably not see a Republican
mayor for a very long time.
I do agree that that our local representatives and city administration should fight
harder at the state House for more resources. We need fighters?
Indianapolis Public Svhools are hurting the growth and development of
Indianapolis overall. Quality of the schools in a district is a huge factor
in where people decide to buy a house.
It’s not like IPS is under funded. Between city, state,
and federal dollars, IPS is well funded. However, IPS is administratively very top heavy. IPS is going further left into racial identity politics which is not helping
it’s cause.
Do agree that federal mandated busing in IPS helped kill off the district.
Many IPS schools were not just neighborhood schools. They were the center pieces of community affairs. The schools were
very integral to the well being local communities. The schools were
community centers. Busing destroyed that.
The private sector has basically stepped aside to let governmental agencies
take over. But the private sector is very important. We need them to step up
to be as involved as much as possible for a prosperous Indianapolis.
Government is not as nimble and quick.
Keith … we haven’t had a Republican candidate with vision for some time. Greg Ballard’s vision was to sell off city assets for one time cash infusions.
It’s no accident we have gone from a city with a Republican mayor and a Republican majority on the CCC to … a Republican caucus so small they can carpool in a four door sedan.
It’s not as though Republicans don’t have vision. Jim Brainard had vision. Myers and Fadness had vision. Sure, they included the private sector but they led.
And I’d agree with Chris above – the Capital Improvement Board and Indianapolis Downtown aren’t government bureaucrats.
And that was true when they led the Convention Center getting built or the Hoosier Dome.
Put another way, Bob Welch and Jim Morris aren’t walking through that door. Embrace and support what’s here.
We need mayoral candidates with vision. Whether it’s a Dem or a Republican
makes no difference to me. I harken back to Hudnut. Hudnut with Frick, Morris ,
Welch, McKinny, and others brought projects to life. These men had a vision
for a greater downtown. Hard to believe there is not a new generation of these
men and now women to step forward.
Brainaird, Fadndss, Meyers, are all good examples currently of men with vision
for their local communities. But we don’t have that for Indianapolis???
****It’s just difficult to believe that Indianapolis is somehow void. That the
well has went dry*****
I’m not knocking our local governmental affiliated organizations that include
the private sector. MANY VERY FINE organizations such as the Capitol Improvement Board, Visit Indy, Downtown Indy Inc., and
the Department of Metropolitan Development. In fact I did volunteer work
for Downtown Indy when I first moved here in 84. In a small building located
on the Circle until the Emmis Building took its place. That was an exciting time for the city. You could feel the vibe of exciting downtown projects coming
to life.
With the organizations that we have, How is it possible that –
1). Monument Circle is such a mess. It’s dirty, vagrants everywhere,
and all the empty store fronts and abandoned space. The curbs and sidewalks
in desperate need of maintenance.
Monument Circle is probably the most prestigious piece of real estate in the
entire state of Indiana. It probably receives more out of town visitors than any other piece of real estate in the entire state. Monument Circle is suppose to
be an icon of the city. It represents the greatness of our city.
**. Yet Monument Circle is in worse shape today than ever ***
***What kind of a message does that send****
2). Illinois Street from the bus station up to Washing Street is dirty, side walks
and curbs badly in need of repair, trashy, and homeless people everywhere.
** This is another area that out of towners frequent because they have to.****
3). City Market is trashy, sides & curbs in need of repair, lots of vagrants.
NO ONE wants to wade through that. They’ll just avoid going.
If I’m an out of towner seeing this, I’m thinking man, this city is in decline.
Do we really want to come back.
If I’m a mover & shaker, I’m thinking, man, do we want to invest here.
We have not had one major building go up in all most 30 years. The last
one was The JW Marriot in 2012. Then Cummins built their nine story building.
But not one building surpassing 400 feet.
No cranes downtown building any major buildings at all. Because there is
no investment going on.
Out of towners notice these things just as the locals do.
You’ve mentioned that the homeless problem is a state problem.
Then the Hogsett Administration needs to step up and fight. This is
not acceptable anymore and it’s hurting our reputation as a convention
and sports event city.
The homeless problem was never a major issue until about ten years ago.
Same with the cleanliness, and the sidewalk & curb maintenance issues also.
Is it a funding problem?? Are we subsidizing the Colts and Pacers to a point
that it’s affecting the areas of downtown that are vital to our convention
and major sporting events??
That seems to be about the time when maintenance and cleanliness started
declining along with an ever increasing vagrant population.
Joe-
Sorry about being so long winded.
But I’m very passionate about our downtown and our city overall.
I want downtown and the city to prosper as we are seeing happen in
Nashville.
I’m as competitive when it comes to our downtown and city as any
sports fanatic is to his hometown team.
Keith, we’ve been cutting for some time. We just flat don’t want to invest in the future. You’re seeing the outcome.
I’d also remind you we have Republican legislators at the Statehouse who could also fight for Indianapolis. Their primary interests appear to be in doing everything they can to make IndyGo useless (as opposed to seeing it as a means to get people without the means for a car to all those unfilled jobs downtown) and telling the Marion County prosecutor, among other officials, how to do their jobs.
I mean, sure, it’s great Aaron Freeman is changing some Byzantine legal reference to get Marion County $7 million a year. That’s a drop in the bucket to what’s needed. And if you can tell me what Jack Sandlin or Mike Young or Mike Speedy are doing for their constituents, you’d be the first.
All they want to do it say no. None of them have anything useful to add. It’s as though they would rather see Indianapolis fail because it’s better for their political prospects.
As far as the homeless problem, a reminder that the city of Indianapolis was working on this
“City report calls for low-barrier, service-rich shelter for homeless residents“
https://www.ibj.com/articles/city-report-calls-for-low-barrier-service-rich-shelter-for-homeless-residents
Something like this is what’s needed – get people off the streets, get them some mental help.
Opening back up the sanitariums is the only way to get the homeless and criminally insane off the streets.
Their families, businesses, charities and government groups have failed them.
Living on the street and doing drugs is not etc. is not humane.