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IU has always been a good place for all the students that can’t get into Purdue.
and Purdue is a good backup for those who can’t get into Ohio State… lol
That a 3.0 from an IPS high school is considered sufficient to attend IU-Indianapolis is not a promising indicator of what the overall academic quality of this school will be.
Many schools are experimenting with Direct Admission, emphasizing test scores less as it’s not a reliable indicator of actual college performance. From what I have seen, the true indicator is if an institution has resources available for these students to support their educational endeavors – the goal is NOT that they all drop out after a semester or a year. Retention must be a concern and I think IU Indianapolis is well-positioned to make a true difference + upward mobility in students’ lives.
A 3.0 has long been considered good enough to attend a college who’s entire purpose is to educate the citizens of a state….
Brad, your comment about the predictive power of admission test is literally the opposite of what research has shown. They are far more predictive than grades, which is why schools have stopped using them – it allows them to admit students they never should have but meet internal diversity quotas. The reality is that every year there are millions of new college students that are not actually university material who will take on significant debt for a negative ROI on the time and money invested. Schools know this but take their money anyway as all the financial risk is on the student loan borrower.
Brad W.
The SAT and other college entrance exam is are actually very good indicators
are very good and valid indicators of future success.
Test scores typically correspond to a students preparedness for college.
The tests should remain in place for all students regardless of race, income,
or school district.
At the very least these IPS students should be able to write an essay.
21 R.
+ 1
Dropping standards for students does NOT help the students one bit.
Dropping prerequisites such as entrance exams, SAT’s, and the Essay
will result in –
1) students being over matched for schools and work that they are not prepared for.
2) Much higher drop out rates rates saddling students with incredible student
debt
Test scores are a very good indicator of preparedness and future success
This is a thoughtful way to eliminate some of the many barriers that come with applying to college. The application fees can seriously add up.
Why should everything be free??
Keith – application fees did not exist from 2006-2014… Higher Ed realized they could be nickel and diming people and added them back again
Brad W is exactly right. It’s one thing to admit the 3.0 GPA students automatically, but it’s another thing to be able to support them throughout their education. Many of the students are likely to be first generation or students of color, who often need some help to succeed at such a large institution. I hope that IUI will provide the support to help students succeed. I think this is a great start to making education available to all, but let’s make sure the back end is there to help them on their journey.
Isn’t high school suppose to prepare students for higher learning???
No – High School is meant to prepare students to be cogs in the capitalism machine.
Good colleges are meant to prepare students to be slightly more skilled cogs
Great colleges teach them to think critically about whether or not they want to be cogs
I spent a few years at IUPUI in the 70’s. and graduated from there. Lots of my classmates were from public schools (I’m a graduate of a private, Catholic, high school). Some of those students were from the top 10% of their high school classes, but couldn’t for one reason or another attend college away from home. Many were in the 2.3 to 3.2 range, and they were smart. They just needed a chance, which they received at IUPUI. There were support programs, formal and informal. The University Division was created to help these students acclimate and succeed, and to give them someplace to do it before jumping into a major. And it worked. These are the graduates who will likely remain in Indiana, and contribute to the state’s growth.
My son, an honors grad from a public high school went to IUPUI for the Informatics School. Lots of really bright students there…not all of whom were also accepted at Purdue. In fact, most weren’t. But all of my son’s friends are now successfully employed, in their fields, which is a bit of a feat as they graduated into the pandemic in 2020 and their first jobs were pulled as companies stopped hiring.
For the past 10 years i have asked every single teacher with whom i have come in contact this question: ” Is there any hope out there.” I am certainly approaching over 100 teachers. With the exception of 1 teacher, 100% of them have very quickly answered No. When i questioned the one that had responded yes, it was not long into the questioning that the answer was actually no. The Federal Department of Education says fore lesser “quality” schools HSGPA is a better predictor of success, which i presume means graduation. That makes sense. Children who are not problems in highschool class get better grades as a reward. And the less rigorous, less stringent in grading collegiate schools simply engage in the same behavior. Thus, they produce a lesser quality product that isn’t really ready to compete or add value to an employer. I predict this program will be gone in 5 years as the inexorable results undeniably repeat themselves annually or the reputation of the graduate in the market place is so poor that having attended and graduated becomes meaningless….or actually meaningful….don’t hire them.