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Bull doze it…. It’s served its purpose..
This is the kind of mentality that kills cities.
Sell it
Nobody wants a dilapidated 60-year old building that still has some asbestos in it. They couldn’t even pay anyone to take it.
I think it’s insane to consider repurposing half of the C-C Building into multifamily. Who would want to live in a building shared with government offices, and all that goes with that?
Also wonder how much money has been paid out to consulting firms for all these repurposing studies.
The vast majority of new high rise structures are mixed use… Having a single occupancy type structure is the exception, not the rule.
Shared with local government offices? No thank you!
Old City Hall would make a beautiful museum/arts facility.
It’ll make a beautiful government administration building once the City sells the CCB
The convenience of Jim Irsay just announcing he would like to have a museum downtown, just made the Old City Hall a viable location for the Irsay Museum! Go Jim and use your influence, a perfect location for your $100 Million collection!!
It seems if we could see the amount of leases and rent the city pays to private developer owned buildings that house the many city and county departments and offices, the need for alternative uses in the CCB may not be needed. Move Indy Parks, DPW, Neighborhood Services-Code enforcement, etc., all back into the building they were intended to be in. Centralizing government offices, and a single public access to these offices, would bring the vibrance and vitality back and mostly fill the building again.
It’s also never been clearly stated is the IMPD to stay at the CCB, or move to the CJC? Makes sense to keep IMPD there! Of course the Sheriff will move to the CJC.
Kevin, sadly your idea makes too much sense.
Kevin is 200% on point.
It could be financially feasible for a developer to purchase the current City-County building at a low-ball price taking into account the cost of the deferred maintenance, gut the building and rehab it into a mix of office suites/co-working spaces on floors 2-3 with a hotel occupying floors 4-14 and affordable (i.e., not a la Conrad) condominiums on floors 15-27 topped by a restaurant on the 28th. If Keystone can convert the former AT&T apartments into retail, parking, and apartments, then such a make-over of the CCB is doable. As for relocating the city-county functions, the old City Hall makes the most sense if the adjacent parking lot (also already owned by the city) is used for a newly-built, modern multi-story addition with underground parking at whatever size is needed to accommodate the functions and people to bring all city and county functions into one site.
The 21C was an excellent use for the old City Hall. Not sure why the deal feel through. There has not been a better proposed use. These hotels are so unique and is needed in Downtown Indy. The empty parking lot to the north if not a hotel could be an excellent condo/apartment project. The plaza in front of the City County building has become a hangout for homeless unfortunately. I’m sure that would make it less desirable for housing.
(Different Robert H. here)
It fell through because 21C got denied for the 21C federal grant that their business model relies on. The city should move back there if they can. Donate the building to a developer and let them put forth the $35m to redevelop – that is about the same cost as Carmel’s new Keystone/465 interchange.
People pay $5k/month to live across the street from the jail. A few homeless people hanging out in the park at the CCB isn’t going to scare people away who already want to live in a city. And I’d wager that there will be fewer homeless people hanging out there when city offices move and the jail isn’t releasing people right there.
Robert H.-
Real estate is all about location, location, location. The CCB has that and more. As a private property, I would imagine a tall wrought iron fence and tall evergreens would close the south plaza to the public. Problem solved.
The folks basically wanting the city to give the CCB away have got to be joking. Or are jokes. Kind of hard to tell.
Muncie is trying to repurpose a jail to mixed-use, that’s crazier than repurposing this place.
We all know it’s going to get redeveloped into multi-family apartments and mixed use commercial. It’s just a matter of grants/funding/tax breaks to get the deal done. Robert, nailed it on the head with his comment about the 21C Hotel. The location is amazing and people love older buildings repurposed into apartments.
I can’t imagine how converting the CCB to residential would have a positive impact on the City Market compared to having office workers there.
The improvements that are described sound like features that are needed in the building even at its current use. You only need to spend a day at jury duty to discover that the bathrooms are so limited that they have a male restroom on one floor, female on next, etc. And even then, the bathrooms are much too small for the building capacity. Same goes for the windows and heating, both needed for efficient heating and cooling. The building’s current systems cause some rooms to be very cold while others are extremely hot. I can only imagine what it took to piece together a modern electrical and internet system in that building. Any future use of the building will require these improvements.
“Deferred maintenance”. What a statement. Taxpayers pay millions & millions of dollars that the city can’t use to maintain property yet spend hundreds of million dollars to go build something shiny and new. CCB BS is a microcosm of how government operates. City council basically just wrote a 126 million dollar blank check to build more offices!! FIX WHAT YOU HAVE & STAY IN YOUR BUDGETS!
Would be totally phenomenal if government was run like a business. Poor management, lack of vision, no accountability and demand more money! VERY Poor excuse and modeling for leadership.
Its a good basic building. It was cheaply built and finished. It was a typical 60s steel building that looked like dozens of others at the time. Indy does not have a good habit of going for top flight buildings. You don’t tear down a building of this size because you have a bunch of morons here that don’t know what they are talking about. Plus it cost this city the demolition of the old Courthouse which was a prize. If for no other reason than knocking down a masterpiece to put this up. You re-develop it only this time you trick it out and make it the building and place it should have been to begin with. Don’t cut it cheap. Put 100 to 150 million into it. Make it a place to go to use or even put high residences on the upper floors. Don’t mess this up. Indy has to get its collective heads where they belong and do the right thing.
Tear it Down! Come up to Date!!!! Towers!!!! Residential mixed use with shopping,food and entertainment!!! All over the whole county!!! Call in investors from all over the Globe to come transform the whole county!!!!!!!!