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Sad to hear this. Hindsight is always 20/20, but seems like even putting a moderate constraint on a person like or who exhibits mental instability would be the minimum. As in moderate constraint, at least limit the kind of gun they could purchase legally. Not even close to an expert in this area, but seems like a change in the law would/could be helpful.
Red flag laws are tricky. Maybe the following workflow would be better?
>Possible risk of violence due to mental health identified
>Hospitalization
>Hospital does mandatory assessment to see whether the patient is fit to have guns
>Based on hospital assessment, prosecutor can initiate red flag system
>If guns not allowed, patient fails background checks before purchasing guns.
I support gun rights, but agree there should be a better process here. If you thought it justified to take away a gun, then it certainly begs the question of why it would be okay for that person to turn around and buy another one the next day. To your process flow above maybe add some sort of temporary “red flag” that denies access to firearms while the process works itself out and a determination is made to either lift it or make it permanent (or semi-permanent since presumably someone might get the help they need and should later be able to appeal the decision).
Looks like the “mental health professionals” Mears references have some explaining to do as to why “They didn’t commit him. They didn’t prescribe him any additional medication. He was cut loose.”
As their “patient” is dead, I hope these docs don’t try to hide behind patient privacy concerns in order to avoid answering for their actions.
The mental health system is a joke in Indiana… but it is across the country.
https://fox59.com/news/politics/marion-county-prosecutor-finds-loophole-in-indianas-red-flag-law/
Was Indiana’s red flag law followed?
Doesn’t appear that it was at all ……
WITHOUT A WARRANT (35-47-14-3)
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If weapons are seized during the normal course of law enforcement duties
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If person is believed to be dangerous (as defined above), submit a written statement to the
court of jurisdiction describing basis for belief
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Court reviews statement and may order firearms retained or released
AFTER FIREARMS ARE SEIZED
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Court holds a hearing within 14 days. (IC 35-47-14-5)
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Notification to individual from whom the firearm was seized and prosecutor
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Court determines by clear and convincing evidence if person is dangerous and firearms
should be retained (IC 35-47-14-6)
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If retained, law enforcement agency keeps firearm until further order of the court.
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Court shall also order License to carry handgun suspended. (IC 35-47-14-6(b))
Notify ISP Firearms to insure this is completed
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https://www.in.gov/isp/3484.htm
This process is flawed. The system had him identified. We ought to focus on fixing this rather than trying to outlaw guns. This individual pulled the trigger.
Sorry, but It’s time that the mentally ill had fewer rights. Protection of the public is of greater concern. And it’s time that our lawmakers woke up.
These crimes could be prevented if the families had the right to be partners in the care plan of the mentally ill and if the mental health facilities where fixed, rather than shut down. It’s important to keep in mind that the vast majority with SMI are not violent. This is yet another case where the laws prevent families from helping. This person more than likely had a antisocial personality disorder ~ not a psychotic disorder~ which maybe why he wasn’t committed. This makes no sense as these disorders have a great potential to be dangerous…
Molly~ The mentally ill should have the right have proper health care and not be treated like criminals. These types of tragedies should never happen. Sadly~ I doubt nothing will change and this event will be forgotten as soon as the next one occurs and everyone will wonder why.
Prayers to the victims and their families, and quite frankly, the family of the shooter is a victim of the failed system, as well. It’s all very tragic.