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Good decision.
Holcomb thinks he’s in Vermont (not Indiana).
That’s ok. Ring county businesses have no problem taking Marion county money.
Right on!
@Dina – which businesses? All of those nightclubs and bars in the donut counties? Because restaurants and retail are operating in Marion county. The people leaving the city to go to their favorite Applebees in Plainfield were most likely not contributing before
Yep. I won’t go anywhere near downtown and I go to the the donut counties if I go out. They don’t seem to have any issue with the added influx. He has ruined Indianapolis.
Dina the restrictions make it hard to make money, just open doesn’t do it.
As a ring county resident, I’m just the opposite. With the added (temporary) seating outside on Mass Ave, I feel safer at a Mass Ave or Broad Ripple business than packed inside GOAT in Carmel or at Muldoons.
I will continue to dine in Carmel. The Hog has killed downtown Indy. Carmel and Indy both experienced Covid. The riots spoiled the city after decades of finally becoming a city with a vibrant downtown as a destination. They day now people understand. Right, BLM is a disservice to all races and has created racial tension that did not exist prior to years old formation of a Dem voting political extension.
I will continue to dine in Carmel. The Hog has killed downtown Indy. Carmel and Indy both experienced Covid. The riots spoiled the city after decades of finally becoming a city with a vibrant downtown as a destination. They say now people understand. Right, BLM is a disservice to all races and has created racial tension that did not exist prior to the formation of a Dem voting political extension. It was years in the making and emerged ubiquitously.
Excellent leadership from Dr. Caine. I’m glad we have her expertise.
Isn’t this is the same person who said “consider yourself lucky” to complaining bar owners a couple of weeks ago? The same who is now “allowing” 7,500 fans in a 60,000 seat arena without explanation? And allowed -0- in a 300,000 capacity OUTDOOR venue a month back. Lots of “gamesmanship” or maybe just plain partisanship going on here, not leadership. Notice the phrase “follow the science” is not even used anymore, because science says the hospitalization and ICU usage is flat. The 5% positivity “benchmark” is just an arbitrary number someone picked, has no science behind, but we “have” to be below it. Kansas City had 17k fans on opening night, Dallas had 21k last week, no issues.
Uh, Rob, the decision to not have fans at the Indy 500 was neither Caine’s or Hogsett’s. And you aren’t going to know if there are any “issues” with Dallas’ 21K fans this soon.
And everyone suggesting downtown is dead are the people those of us who actually LIVE and VISIT downtown want to stay away! Do us a favor and live up to your word. Most likely, you never come here anyway. The many THOUSANDS of people who DO live and play here will continue to make it the vibrant downtown it is. And “downtown” Carmel? LOL. That is NOT a real downtown. It is a manufactured place. Downtowns evolve over time. They aren’t built over the course of a year or two.
Marshall P downtowns also devolve over time, as in the last 6 months for Indy. You know nothing about who is or was patronizing downtown. I commuted there for work every day, took clients out to lunch and dinner all of the time. Took my family to events at the Hilbert, the Repertory Theater, museums, etc. several times a year, shopped at Circle Centre, and on and on. NOT. ANY. MORE.
Downtown will soon be just someplace you drive through to get to someplace better. Anyone that understands the restaurant business knows that they are losing money and won’t last much longer under these restrictions. Downtown is already a shell of what it was and it’s only going to get worse.
Thank goodness Applebee’s can count on your business then! Downtown is still the best part of this city.
So much support here that I must take the opposite view. I’m completely ready for people to decide for themselves and not the government. We’ve done it their way since March and I now want freedom of choice. If you need or want to be careful, please do so, but stop forcing this crap on me!
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Agree, she just a lib following Democrat orders. Ego beyond anything. Maybe the businesses affected should riot the health dept.
Funny, I wonder the 200,000 dead people would make the same choice, or if they even had a choice. I guess we should just let true ‘Mericans choose away.
Well Bill Gates says we may have to put up with this until end of 2021.
As much as it pains me to say it, We’ve been heading to Carmel when we want a night out. It’s like going to a place called “normal and vibrant”. Bars, restaurants, And people. Their Monon area along Main Street is fantastic. We live in Meridan Kessler and I’m tired of going to restaurants and sitting in parking lot.
yep. same here. so nice we may move!
We’ve enjoyed eating at quite a few restaurants in Carmel over the past few months and will continue to do so. No reason to spend our money in Indy as long as Hogsett is mayor. No interest in a dirty, unsafe downtown Indy.
Hogsett is a coward and a partisan. He is ruining the very people who will still likely re-elect him. He does not get my vote.
The donut cities don’t want the Marion County people bringing their indiscretion to disrupt their safer environments. Stay home, wear a mask and wash your hands and you can have nice things too.
The donut cities wouldn’t exist if it weren’t for the jobs their citizens had in Indianapolis. I’d much rather spend my time in Marion county if I still lived in Indiana. I actually spent more time out in Indy than Carmel and I lived on Main Street above what used to be Scotty’s.
Hogsett has no mind of his own. He does what he his told. He is a puppet and career politician. Way to go Joe! You’ve been able to destroy In 6 months, what has taken 30 years to build.
It’s actually Trump’s fault for allowing this virus to destroy every city in the country. Open your eyes man.
Yep, I would have to say the real failure started it Washington, and our poor mayor is just dealing with the carp he has been given.
Wesley you really need to get your TDS treated. It is only going to get worse the next 4 years. Now Cuomo is saying that he doesn’t trust the federal government to test a vaccine and it will have to be approved by NY first before it is administered in his state. Wasn’t he the one screaming that the federal government needed to take charge?
Note the state-wide mask mandate remains in place with IN’s stage 5 as I understand. Mask wearing and continued social distancing are key steps to keep the virus activity down.
I really don’t understand why it is too much to ask people to wear a mask. If everyone wears a mask, I will be out shopping at the businesses you all lament. If they aren’t wearing masks, then I will have to spend my money online.
I agree with that. It’s a simple request, but quite effective. And it’s not like it’s costing us (much) money to follow it. And like Mary said, with masks on, there are very few places I feel unsafe at the moment.
Exactly- wearing a mask is the easiest thing in the world to do – really can’t understand why anyone is against it…..
Boss Hogsett has spoken!
Rosco: “goody goody gum drops why didn’t I think of that?”
Boss Hog: “because if you had my brains you’d be Boss and I’d be the jacka$$ sheriff!”
Safety for residents is key. Marion County has the highest rate and could suffer more by opening too soon. Those in Marion County who desire other activity can do so in other counties. The mayor has spoken as the mayor should do and he does so in a civil manner. This indeed is so much better that government cover ups as in Iowa where lives were lost and endangered. Downtown Indy is not destroyed. The entire nation is affected, particularly more dense areas. National leadership has been disappointing, disinterested, and lacking in truth and proactive measures to better contain a known danger – had there been leadership rather than lies the entire nation would be better off. Career politicians control and continue; amateur politicians abet and abscond.
Well stated Derek C.
Downtown Indianapolis IS destroyed. I have an entire office full of people who are NEVER going back. No more tax base, no more patronage of businesses and on and on. And this is the widespread situation in Indy. Between the homelessness everywhere, increased crime, the boarded up buildings and the riots, people have found better places and better ways to both do business and recreate….they re NOT coming back.
Completely agree! Downtown was only vibrant because of the mass of people that work there, now that they are gone and will absolutely stay gone for a long time, downtown will return to it’s roots as it was in the 70’s and 80’s. A boarded up skid row.
Isn’t Caine the one who shut down all HS sports without any data or science to back it up? It’s starting to sound like the goal posts keep moving.
Remember “Flatten the curve?”
Or how about “ICU beds?”
“Death rate?”
Now it’s “5% positive tests?” Why choose 5%? Why not 4%? 6%? None of this is making sense any more.
I spend more money taking Uber to Carmel/Fishers from Broad Ripple than I spend in Marion County on meals and entertainment. The Fork and Ale, Sun King-Carmel, GOAT, 933 at the Yard, Havana Cigar Bar, and a few others have received most of my spending power since May 2nd. I feel like I’m cheating on my restaurant/bar proprietor friends in Marion County, but city leadership has given me no choice.
Friendly reminder: The death rate for COVID-19 in Indiana is .000495582. Of this infinitesimal death rate, 1.92% are under 50 years old. ~7% of this death rate is under 60 years old. (IN.Gov – 9/25/20)
IBJ, can we just do away with the comments section? I’m tired of reading all of the ignorant commentary from people who don’t even live in our downtown and probably rarely even visit. Anyone who actually lives or visits downtown knows they are just wrong. The comments section has just become another propaganda machine, much like Fox News.
Marshall P. you live in a dream world. We have several people in our office who are living downtown and THEY agree it’s awful. One just bought a home a year ago…moved downtown for the atmosphere that is no more and is experiencing severe regret right now.
Oh, and no one makes you read comments….you are free to choose…imagine that!
It’s interesting how many people are willing to turn their backs on Indianapolis as if their donut town would even exist without it. They should be doing everything they can to support the city regardless of restrictions and political agendas. If Indianapolis fails you think the suburbs will not feel the pain? How many people come from out of state or even other parts of Indiana to visit the wonderful attractions Carmel, Fishers, and Plainfield offer? All of our energies should be directed at making Indy a vibrant city that everyone wants to visit despite the obstacles.
No actually, Carmel draws many to visit directly…they’ve heard how vibrant it is. And they draw many more now!
I’m sure others do as well.