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It would make more sense for a general camera system to be installed vs a plate reader. Your HOA has no business knowing each person who comes to your house. But a camera system professionally installed could keep and eye out for issues while requiring law enforcement to identify the person/vehicle
What could go wrong? Just another reason to stay away from purchasing HOA governed properties.
Sounds like the beginning of how Google and Facebook have profited off of our data and lives. Everyone should be afraid of this. It doesn’t matter whether or not you’re a criminal. I agree with Jason that a normal camera system solves these problems. Plate readers, especially for people who aren’t police, should be illegal. FYI to all Indiana readers, red light cameras are also illegal in your state. Why allow abusive HOA’s to take away privacy when it’s even illegal for the government to do so?
So-called “red light cameras” do not take pictures of every vehicle passing through an intersection. Instead, they only capture a picture of a vehicle that runs the red light. Furthermore, the red light running occurs on public streets, where numerous courts have ruled there is no right to privacy. As someone who was t-boned by a red light runner se efal years ago, and who see numerous vehicles ignoring red lights throughout Indianapolis on a daily basis, I am a support of both speed cameras and red light cameras.
@Brent almost all neighborhoods are also public streets. Sorry, but I don’t buy that you see “numerous vehicles ignoring red lights in a daily basis”. There are cars going through a pink yellow when the other lanes are not even rolling yet, but I literally can’t remember the last time I saw a car just blow through a red light.
How will this prevent thieves from parking outside the neighborhood and walking in?
I’m an HOA Board president of a complex with 137 units. This past fall, we had 14 AC compressor units stolen over a 2-month period. Tried cameras and signage, primarily as a deterrent. Not good enough resolutions to help police. Finally caught the crew because of noise.
Our complex roads are private. We have explored putting in security gates, but the cost if very high ($30,000 to $50,000) and presents issues of access to services to the residents (e.g. delivery).
Our residents had concerns over the camera; I believe that those concerns are legitimate and we should have had those policies in place before any implementation. We were in an emergency situation and temporarily addressed the issue by having only one person (the former Board president) have access to the images. We put in a request to our counsel almost immediately to help draft good, open procedures, but that work is not done yet. The difficulty is the lack of common knowledge in the legal community of best practices. Prof. Raymond should focus on helping the legal community “tool up” to help establish best practices.
I believe that Prof. Raymond’s comments reflect a misunderstanding of the complexity running an HOA, particularly one governing condominiums. We do, indeed, mow the grass! We also refer issues to our legal counsel on a regular basis dealing with issues regarding insurance, building maintenance, proper meeting rules of procedure, and HOA member contribution collection for common maintenance needs.
We are faced with increasingly sophisticated attacks on our property and safety. To categorically reject a possible solution simply because it is legally “complicated” seems a bit ridiculous. It is as important to let criminals know that we have images than it is to have the images themselves. Help us move forward in using and storing information responsibly. Do not simply erect obstacles to potentially good solutions out of fear of abuse or contempt for our community needs.
Would love to see the Learned Professor sit on a few HOA committees (unpaid of course). Lets see her handle unpaid dues, fences and improvements that don’t comply with covenants, or even be in charge of keeping the signs and common grass areas “pretty”. Pro Tip— 7 out of 10 vendor respondents, don’t have insurance, don’t communicate, or are simply incompetent. Maybe IBJ should describe her job (paid, of course) as showing up and talking to a class for a couple hours a week.
There are cities that have removed these devices due to legal issues. Fishers has plans to install several along 96th Street around the Interstate 69 intersection.
That is alot of words to say very little.
Chuck, what does that have to do with the article?