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Let me change some words to see if this resonates with some of the unvaccinated:
Dr. Christopher Weaver, IU Health’s chief clinical officer, said most of the car crash patients weren’t wearing their seatbelts, although up to 20% of them were wearing seatbelts, including some who are now in the intensive care unit.
Now, would you stop using your seatbelt because there’s a 20% chance you still might end up in the hospital?
GET. THE. VACCINE.
chances are MUCH lower than 20% with the covid vaccine, too
As in, maybe 20% of the people hospitalized with COVID were vaccinated – but the CHANCE of getting COVID (or into a car crash) to begin with is much lower with the vaccine.
Seatbelts don’t prevent accidents, but the COVID vaccine can prevent infections.
WHY. DO. YOU. CARE. WHAT. OTHERS. DO. ???
Besides, what a false comparison. Your chances of needing a hospital if you are in accident w/o a seat belt are faaaaaar higher than needing a hospital if you get COVID (vaxxed or unvaxxed)!!!!!
M.G. See the head line. This means that benign tumor that uncle harold has, that only makes it uncomfortable for him to do what he wants, get delayed.
This also means that the nurse that treats you for a heart attack might have already worked a double shift. Do you want a stressed and tired caregiver that just worked a double shift administering medicine that could kill you if they get it wrong.
Real people suffer the consequences of an overloaded heath system when the solution is so simple. Get vaccinated.
NO
MG, I do care what other people do because I work in a hospital and do have to deal with people like you that don’t make the wise decision to worry about how their behavior actually DOES impact other people!
Auto insurers increase premiums for high-risk individuals. They sometimes cancel coverage for high-risk drivers or those with lengthy claim records. Can health care insurers institute a policy that will exclude coverage to those that are not vaccinated if they become ill with COVID and require medical care? It’s all about risk management, and the costs associated with managing the risks. We would all be better served if we removed the emotions and politics from the vaccination issue and treat it like any other situation, as a business matter that prices products according to risk factors. Show up at the hospital needing medical care without being vaccinated, and put up a bond or prepay for services in order to be admitted. For anything. No vaccination, no coverage. This is not a mandate. It’s each individuals choice to qualify for insurance coverage.
And for the flu vaccine and on and on – every treatment and/or vaccine for everything out there – you cannot be insured unless you take them all. Sure.
Mark, some companies have already started passing those costs on to their unvaccinated workers.
And it’s 100% legal.
Fortunately, Obamacare prevents health insurers from denying coverage or charging different rates – a program I am sure many anti-vaxxers despise. However, businesses, many of whom are self insured, can force employees to pay a greater share of their company subsidized health insurance or they can just fire them since at-will employment laws pretty much allow companies to let you go for any reason, or no reason at all, except for race, religion, gender, or age. Businesses free from government constraint or regulation, something I am sure many anti-vaxxers support strongly.
Greg:
Best I can tell, it’s legal but can’t be “too much”.
https://www.benefitslawadvisor.com/2021/09/articles/vaccination-surcharge/money-money-money-how-much-can-the-health-plan-surcharge-on-unvaccinated-employees-be/
WHY. DO. YOU. CARE. WHAT. OTHERS. DO. ???
Besides, what a false comparison. Your chances of needing a hospital if you are in accident w/o a seat belt are faaaaaar higher than needing a hospital if you get COVID (vaxxed or unvaxxed)!!!!!
M.G. If hospitals were overloaded with crash victims because suddenly it was patriotic to NOT wear a seatbelt, we would be having this same conversation.
See the head line. This means that benign tumor that uncle harold has, that only makes it uncomfortable for him to do what he wants, get delayed.
This also means that the nurse that treats you for a heart attack might have already worked a double shift. Do you want a stressed and tired caregiver that just worked a double shift administering medicine that could kill you if they get it wrong.
Real people suffer the consequences of an overloaded heath system when the solution is so simple. Get vaccinated.
Put the unvaccinated to the back of the line. Love to know how many of these politicians who are prattling on about no vaccine mandates and my body my choice, chose to get the vaccine as soon as it was available.
That would be most all of them. Even Trump got the vaccine, but he refuses to encourage people to take the fruit of his greatest accomplishment in office because he’d rather have their adulation. So he lies to them and tells them what they want to hear, not what they need to hear.
How messed up is that?
Well, Donald actually did tell a crowd once a few months ago that they needed to get vaccinated and they all booed & hissed at him. I remember seeing it on TV. Here’s the online references (take your pick): https://www.google.com/search?channel=nus5&q=trump+tells+a+crowd+to+get+vaccinated
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That said, I have no doubt that if Trump had won (legitimately) in 2020, he would have been the Covid vaccine poster child and made anyone who didn’t get vaccinated feel like a 2nd class citizen.
It would be fascinating given how his base voters are the ones refusing to get vaccinated or take the antibody treatments.
If anything, the current Republican strategy is all about making sure their unvaccinated base voters can’t be made second class citizens. No vaccine mandates, no passports, no masks. The snowflakes must be protected at all costs.
My spouse just found out that he needs bypass surgery, asap. His dr does NOT want to wait until Jan. His surgeon is at Methodist Hospital, part of IU Hospitals. If he can’t get a bed due to unvaxxed “Covidiots”, kick them out. We are triple vaxxed…
Agree!!
Good luck to both of you, JoAnn.
If I needed bypass surgery, and my doctor had to delay it due to Covid restrictions it their hospital I would definitely find a great heart surgeon at a hospital without Covid restrictions. There are too many great heart surgeons. I would not hesitate. Prayers for your husband.
Vaxism
Or is it Vaxxxism? 😆
M G. Sayeth:
WHY. DO. YOU. CARE. WHAT. OTHERS. DO. ???
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It’s not what you do that we care – it’s what you DON’T do which matters.
Where do you think the variants come from? Right now, we don’t know for certain that a vaccinated person can’t create a variant. But YOU, unvaccinated, stand the risk of creating a variant…potentially a variant which is highly contagious AND virulent…potentially nasty enough that current vaccines which seem to be doing a good job would end up being as though no one received a vaccine — it could be as if something worse than the Delphi variant were as contagious as the common cold.
If your lacking as a human being would only affect you, I’d have no qualms about saying, “you’re only hurting yourself and anyone else you infect, not to mention you’d be selfish by getting a hospital bed when someone else is more deserving of it”.
I’d appreciate local health reporters getting quotes or soundbites from hospitalized, unvaccinated Covid patients, and/or their family members, about how they feel taking hospital resources from cancer patients who are worried about their upcoming surgeries being postponed. The choices of most hospitalized Covid patients are resulting in very real consequences for others. I’d appreciate knowing what’s going through their minds.
Bad time to do anything that would put any obstacle in the way of getting vaccinated. From Becker’s Hospital Review 12/10/21:
Six states in the Midwest and East Coast account for more than half of the nation’s total COVID-19 hospitalizations confirmed in recent weeks, NBC News reported Dec. 7.
Federal data shows 35 states and the District of Columbia have seen hospitalization rates increase in the last two weeks.
Michigan, Ohio, Indiana, Pennsylvania, New York and Illinois are mostly driving this increase. These states make up 35 percent of the population among states with increasing hospitalizations, but comprise 60 percent of new hospital beds filled between Nov. 10 and Dec. 5, according to an NBC News analysis of HHS data. Michigan topped the list, accounting for 13.2 percent of new hospitalizations over this time period.
As of Dec. 5, the nation’s seven-day hospitalization average was 7,176, a 14.6 percent increase from the previous week’s average of 6,260, CDC data shows.