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Well I am all for capitalism, they managed to slip in with a zoning variance and they were called on it. This is a shut and dry case if you ask me
City needs to make this right – ridiculous they have screwed this up so bad and dragging a business owner under in their wake of not paying attention to what they approved – ALL on the city
100%
Wah, Wah, Wah, and boo hoo…. The GOAT’s idea of capitalism at it’s best. Make your neighbors suffer because you want to make money, but you were too stupid to investigate the rules before you invested, so just ditch the rules.
Dan I’m not sure you understand Capitalism. That, or you just live in Hamilton County and practice “capitalism when it suits me”
Spend over $1M on that place? Seriously?
Same question. $1M?
. Pretty sure the place could be built; furnished, and stocked, for less than than, but it is a nice round number that sounds good in a press release
The challenge continues that it is in the middle of several bars and restaurants…literally 1000 feet from tons of places but that specific corner is “residential?”
Not very consistent and I foresee a legal battle which ends in settlement.
Not to say The GOAT ownership kept control late nights and was a quiet neighbor which could have be mitigated the first evening open, but Carmel will have a hard legal battle if they go that route.
At what point does a GOAT go looking for greener pastures??
There is a big difference in an establishment that serves breakfast and lunch and an establishment that serves alcohol and has clients that use people’s yards as restrooms. Sorry GOAT–doesn’t seem to me you did your part to be a good neighbor and I would NOT want you in my neighborhood. I would love to know the details about the “claims that the commitments requested by the city encouraged the tavern’s owners to spend over $1 million on renovations, fixtures and perishable inventory.” Other than adding adequate restrooms, I don’t know what renovations or perishable inventory would have fixed.
The owners of the GOAT own two bars and a logistic business in Carmel. They should understand zoning requirements.
The owners of the GOAT were originally going to be partners with the previous owners of the property who had the special variance to do breakfast only. They should have known what the restrictions are.
DoCS who allegedly gave the approval doesn’t give zoning approvals, that is done by the BZA. The owners had to know that.
How does a bar owner open a new Broad Ripple type bar with only one restroom?
Brainard was seen frequenting the establishment (even without a mask) and had to know what was going on wasn’t legal.
This sounds like the GOAT owners were counting on some under the table ok bypassing the legal process and got caught.
The attornies should have picked this up in the “due- diligence.”
Thoughts
1. Experienced business owner should know zoning of the property didn’t match intended business
2. Attorney for the business owner should have known same, if involved at that point
3. City departments should have picked up the zoning/intent discrepancy
4. Given the location literally across the street (diagonally) from another bar — and a restaurant/bar — seems hard to consider the GOAT site purely residential
5. As I recall, there was initially noise complaint regarding Tank 13 in Village of West Clay, next to a white house there; so maybe the problem is locating a business next to houses that are white.
6. Betraying my age a bit, but there’s no reason to be open til 3 AM especially when other businesses around you are not. That set the ball in motion for the complaints.
7. Whoever heard of a bar with one bathroom?
After the last BZA meeting with denial it seemed the logical next step was a lawsuit against the city. We’ll see how this plays out. Other option is to open a breakfast/lunch restaurant there. Bub’s Cafe was always busy, so might work again.
Everything was fine until the patrons started pooping on lawns at 3:00am
I hate it when that happens…
As someone who lived above the Pint Room and had to listen to drunks sitting at the tables outside well after closing, the GOAT owner has a valid point. The neighborhood has a number of bars; what makes one corner special? Typical gentrification issue. People move in and want everything to change. If people wanted country solitude they should have moved to Westfield and not Carmel Town Center. These same new “neighbors” will be complaining about Carmelfest and probably try to shut that down too.
As someone who lived above the Pint Room and had to listen to drunks sitting at the tables outside well after closing, the GOAT owner has a valid point. The neighborhood has a number of bars; what makes one corner special? Typical gentrification issue. People move in and want everything to change. If people wanted country solitude they should have moved to Westfield and not Carmel’s only neighborhood that is even close to urban living. These same new “neighbors” will be complaining about Carmelfest and probably try to shut that down too.