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Most “undocumented” have documents. They are simply expired, falsified, or stolen (defrauded).
When an article includes a dishonest word in the very first sentence of your article, it is perfectly reasonable to presume the rest of the article is going to be spin.
“They’re being good citizens, they’ve stayed out of trouble, they’re families, they’re participating in the economy–and yet they’re terrified to go to their kids’ football game or soccer match.”
Quite lying Blake. Unless they were children brought here by their parents, by their very presence here they are not at all “good citizens”–they are flouting our already extremely generous immigration policy. And if you use “participating in the economy” as an excuse, it’s worth looking at whether or not you employ (i.e., exploit) a few of them with money paid under the table, as is often the case among neo-cons who champion more “undocumented” immigration.
Ever wonder what the family of Edwin Jackson, former Indianapolis Colt now dead and buried, thinks about all those “undocumented” people maneuvering among the shadows of a perfectly reasonable legal system?
The fact that the “study” comes out of UND and uses the word “Privilege” in its name should tell us everything about the agitators championing this position.
When there is so much demand to flee the perils of many of the countries to our south, immigrants are going to make it over in search of a better life no matter what the laws or enforcement techniques are. Our current immigration laws (just like our drug laws, terror prevention policies, etc) don’t take the economics of the situation into account and that’s why they fail.
You can correctly say that all undocumented immigrants are “criminals” just because that they broke immigration laws and other bureaucratic laws to get by as an undocumented immigrants, but it’s categorically incorrect to call them bad people. They’re just people who are trying to get by and the violent crime rate among undocumented immigrants is lower than the violent crime rate of legal immigrants and US-born citizens.
The entire point of creating a system for undocumented immigrants to legally drive is to create a system that will allow undocumented immigrants to get proper driving education and credentials. As it stands, many undocumented immigrants drive without such things because they cannot get them, which creates a dangerous situation. Perhaps Edwin Jackson wouldn’t have died if immigrants were able to good driver’s education and legally get driver’s licenses.
We’re not going to solve any immigration problems with 0-tolerance nonsense because, as I said earlier, it doesn’t take the economics into account. Legal US immigration demand FAR outweighs the supply of people trying to immigrate here for better living conditions. That’s why there is a thriving immigration black market/trafficking network. It’s fueled by all the people fleeing crappy situations but being unregulated, it is inherently lets some bad guys in. The harder we push against immigration, the stronger the black market will get and the more bad people will get in.
So yeah, let’s let undocumented immigrants get driving privileges. It will make our roads much safer. And in the long term, we should ramp up legal immigrantion such as to kill these black market trafficking operations. It’s the only real solution.
Yet again, never a solution from Lauren, just complaints and attacking the source. It’s so predictable.
illegal immigrants are here, have been before, will be in the future. May as well put them on a path to citizenship with requirements for good behavior to stay in America (one DUI, see ya later) and payment of taxes on income, among other things. At least they are here and willing to work, I see lots of places that can use workers.
What’s made America grow is people wanting to come here.
Wow my dogs are barking
If there aren’t any legal, financial, political, social, cultural, or physical consequences to [fill in the blank], [fill in the blank] will continue. [fill in the blank] will continue to greatly increase. This is yet another [fill in the blank] issue where existing laws are blatantly ignored. We need to enforce and apply consequences to the violation of the existing laws for whatever [fill in the blank] is before we can adequately assess additional needs. Both of United States and Indiana State Constitution needs to be ENFORCED….it does not need to be changed.
I very good friend of mine while driving in town (Indy) was t-boned by a car driven by an uninsured, undocumented immigrant who ran through a stop sign in the middle of the day. Due to the damage to his head, he was unable to work “ever” again and eventually he died due to his injuries.
If they are undocumented then they are illegal immigrants. We have legal immigrants that we should be helping. The legal immigrants have gone through the proper process to be here. While the undocumented immigrants have just snuck in. we should not reward them with driver’ right.
Your dollars figure of $ 22,600,000.00 dollars per year for auto insurance is unbelievable (even if they “bundle” their insurance policy.)
I see no pluses for the citizens of Indiana. We would only be encouraging more uninsured, undocumented immigrant, and that will cause real damage (both property and to the health) to the citizen and the legal immigrants of Indiana.
You’re right, they should just keep driving illegally and uninsured, and we should just keep pretending they’re not even here.
What Steve said … because what is being proposed will not solve the problem.
Our immigration system is dysfunctional as our laws are 30 to 50 years old. Almost nothing about any of the economies of North, Central or South America is even similar to what it was then. It’s a mess because there isn’t a perfect solution and our legislators haven’t had the gumption to tackle the problem and address it as it exists. There has to be a move to the middle and both sides can’t get all of what they want. Instead, both sides just redefine the problem as they wish it were, weaponizing it to bludgeon the other side and energize their own voters.
This article and topic is a bit odd.
First, if someone is illegally in the country, then they aren’t likely a ‘citizens’. If they are illegal, then why is the focus on letting them drive. If the intent is to let them stay here, then it seems like the focus should be on making them legal or adjusting current law to make them legal, then they could get a driver’s license the existing, legal way.
Seems like the politicians are proposing a solution to a symptom and not addressing the problem.
Good point, Brad; by definition, they aren’t citizens of the country; they are simply occupants.
The focus on giving them any citizens’ rights before they are citizens is simply pandering to get more votes, which is currently the only play in the Democrat’s playbook.
See also: Biden’s proposed student loan forgiveness program.
Go get a learners permit. Right across the top it will say
“Valid for driving privileges”.
I’m not sure what you think voting had to do it with … these folks can’t vote … unless you find that treating human beings with some grace is pandering…
Americans have a long history of hating immigrants, be they the Know-Nothing’s who hated the Irish and Germans, the Chinese Exclusion act, or the current trend to blame everything on those from Central America.
I’m with Lauren on this one.
God forbid we enforce our current laws.
The illegal immigration issue continues to be a raging bonfire of trash. Liberal just throw gas in it daily.
And now people want to give the a “driving pass” as a blessing of evading laws?
Those who immigrated legally, follow the process, including those decades ago via Ellis Island, et. al., who built and defended our country are being spit on.
An NPR report a couple weeks ago noted that worldwide, there are currently 100 million refugees on the move, and that by 2050, it’s projected there will be 200 million refugees seeking to relocate.
Who employs the undocumented individuals?
If their employment is indeed critical, let the employer take some responsibility.
‘Immigrant rights’ is perceived as a particularly cringeworthy term given that many did illegally cross the border. But why are the employers of these undocumented workers (now not referred to as illegal aliens) not penalized for hiring someone of undocumented status. So, one asks, for those good [undocumented] people gainfully employed for several years, paying taxes, contributing to the economy and now the parents of US citizens, what might the answer be. And, while some may be readily identified as potentially undocumented, might the same rancor be directed at those undocumented europeans who likely do not evoke any particular attention.
Any accident is tragic. An accident is equally tragic when the perpetrator is a born and raised US citizen, without insurance and without a valid driver license — a not uncommon situation.
Can the undocumented just simply be deported? Place all in jail (another taxpayer cost). Will their US children be sent along? Will their positions be filled immediately by valid US citizens?
This indeed is a conundrum that requires a rational and reasonable response for those who are here. The legislature is attempting tho address this. Doing nothing is counterproductive at best.
Those opposed should make their voices and rationale known to their representatives.