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The question must be asked; Where is the protections for religious organizations that by conscience object to Cultural Secularism Idealogies?
If an employee agrees as a condition of employment to sign an agreement/contract that they will adhere to the Biblical beliefs and standards when it comes to sexuality etc. and decides to go in an opposite direction in violation of the agreement, then what? There needs to be safeties built into the laws or else there will be severe conflicts and oppressing discrimination for example cast upon a church when a church objects to an employee changing genders that the new gender would cause compromising situations similar of a man being in the same restroom as girls.
What a sick gender dysphoric world we live in!!!
I think courts and laypeople can readily distinguish between ordained clergy (who are not typical employees) and other parish/school employees of religious organizations. At the extreme, I don’t think it’s good public policy to allow, say, the Catholic Church to fire a gay, lesbian, or transgender custodian on the basis of gender or sexual orientation. But where it gets sticky is teachers and counselors in religious schools, and that really is one for the courts also.
Churches can exempt themselves from following this law by turning away federal funds, no?
Darrell, at least you are consistent in your homophobic views. Had you read the article, you would have seen that Gorsuch anticipates a possible different ruling for religious organizations. ‘He said how the decision might affect religious employers was for future cases, as it was not an issue in the cases before the court’.
Most places have solved the “bathroom riddle” for trans people by utilizing single person bathrooms since you seem to be so worried about a trans person attacking your daughter. Please cite some legitimate statistics about men transitioning to women being more likely than others of sexually assault women of any age. The fact is, women are MUCH MORE likely to be assaulted by an opposite sex parent, aunt/ uncle, family “friend”, babysitter, or men with whom they are on a date. Same with young boys except you can add their priest to the list.
Your final comment cements your bigotry: “a sick gender dysphoric world”. Wake up and stop tagging different people as the bogey man. Educate yourself. It is a real thing:
https://www.psychiatry.org/patients-families/gender-dysphoria/what-is-gender-dysphoria
https://www.webmd.com/sex/gender-dysphoria#1
https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/gender-dysphoria/symptoms-causes/syc-20475255
Joe B., I see where you are headed with your comment. Unfortunately, even subjecting churches to income and property taxes (or, at the very least, end the indirect public subsidy of making contributions to religious organizations tax deductible), does not solve the problem. Imagine the 95% of for-profit organizations that are not accepting federal funds saying, “Well, we don’t accept federal money so we are free to fire anyone who is ________ (Black, Jewish, Asian, LGBQT+, etc.). Not fair to any of them to allow such discrimination.
Ed – seems likely that churches will eventually be allowed to declare that everyone they employ is a minister and be able to discriminate thusly. Which is a shame, as some of the best teachers in my private Catholic school days were gay and everyone knew it.
But I don’t think that any religious school that takes voucher money should be able to discriminate. If they want to claim everyone is a minister, that’s fine I guess, but no government money for you.
What will be more interesting, as you say, are the Hobby Lobby’s and Chic-Fil-A’s of the world and how they will spend their money on this issue.
What an important step forward for the LGBTQ community! Bigotry in all of its forms is simply wrong.
On its face this is a perfectly legitimate argument but there is a segment of people that WILL use this decision to attack churches and other religious organizations. Its already been done almost everywhere. The ruling is too vague as it is written, as has often been the case in recent decisions handed down by the courts. If the rulings treating churches differently from other “essential” places, during the COVID 19 pandemic, are any clue as to how this latest ruling is enforced, then it can be assumed that this latest ruling will be used to compel churches and religious organizations to submit to whatever government or secular group thinks is “fair or equitable.” Just as the comment concerning the 1964 Civil Rights Act states that practically no one at that time would have connected the protections associated with that act to protect anything other than what was actually stated. This latest “ruling” is, however, a misrepresentation of what was originally implied. On part of this ruling is in keeping with a very dangerous group of people that see the Constitution as a “living” document. Of course what this really means is that no law can be assumed to mean what its original context was. Laws, under this concept, are never really permanent, only what the “prevailing” sentiment is. A law that can be changed or “redefined” by changing the context in order to “bring it up to date with MODERN ideas or concepts, is not a law at all. Its merely a “suggestion.” While laws have never been perfect nor do they solve all problems, their existence as referenced within the time and context in which they were created are critical. They have protected and helped more people than they have harmed or not protected. The Civil Rights Act of 1964 was something that was legislated in Congress and Signed into law by the sitting President. What a redefinition of this Act does is an “end run” around the will of the people and the legislative process. In other words, it is legislation by the courts which is yet another un-Constitutional trend in our court system.
Everyone deserves equal protection under the law, without exception; however, when “protection” is used to punish or destroy those that don’t agree with your point of view it isn’t protection, its an absurd distortion of everything that was ever written or intended by founders of this country.
I often used to wonder when I was a college student, studying 20th century history, what it would have been like to be alive and present during the enormous struggles that went on during the 1920s and 30s in Europe. Well, the people in this country might get that chance at the rate we are going. Over the last 6 months we have been watching, like spectators at a play or movie, knowing where the tragic plot seems to be moving, and not knowing what to do. We know, if it keeps going the way it seems to be progressing, it will end in an enormous train wreck. We can see that the bridge is out up ahead and we want to yell or something but the train only seems to pick up speed. Lets hope cooler heads and more intelligent and caring people can stop this before it is too late.
Oh, Neil D., clutch your pearls! Very few people are out to persecute the churches. This decision was supported by two conservative justices, including Gorsuch, who anticipates a possibly different ruling for religious organizations. ‘He said how the decision might affect religious employers was for future cases, as it was not an issue in the cases before the court’.
The problem with the belief that religious people or organizations should be exempt from generally applicable laws protecting LGBTQ persons is that courts and religious people and organizations routinely used their religious beliefs to argue for racial discrimination. The trial court in Loving v. Virginia used the Bible to defend anti-miscegenation laws, saying that God put black people and white people on different continents and thus wanted them to remain unmixed. Fortunately the Supreme Court saw through that veil and defended the right to marry across races. But arguing that “God made Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve” is a variation on the same theme. Almost no Americans would support racial discrimination on the basis of religious freedom; the same should be true for discrimination against LGBTQ persons.